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 GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment

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PostSubject: GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment   GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment EmptyMay 19th 2010, 11:55 am

Less than a year after General Motors exited the medium-duty truck business, the company is looking at re-entering the segment.

“GM has a rich heritage in medium-duty trucks,” Mark Reuss, president of GM North America, told some of GM’s largest fleet dealers and key commercial customers. “We didn’t do well [with the last trucks] but never say never. I’d love to play in the space, but we’d have to do it differently with better use of engineering and other resources if we did it. We’re looking at the business now.”

GM ended production of the Chevrolet Kodiak and GMC Top Kick medium-duty trucks in August last year after failing to sell the line of Class 5-7 work trucks to Isuzu or Navistar. The Kodiak and Top Kick had difficulty finding acceptance in the market, competing against Class 4/5 full-size pickup entries from Ford and Dodge and Class 5-7 conventional medium-duty trucks from companies like Hino and International.

GM said it left the segment to refocus on the company’s “core businesses.”

GM could approach medium-duty trucks in several ways, according to Joyce Mattman, GM’s director of commercial products.

“There’s the Top Kick/Kodiak Class 5/6 and above and there’s the black hole, which is Class 4/5. They’re two distinct segments,” Mattman said. “We’ve competed in Class 4 [C3500 HD] trucks in the past. The thing our customers liked about it was that it had a light-duty (pickup) cab, and companies like electric utilities could get back in between houses and alleys [where larger medium-duty trucks can’t go]. But many of our medium-duty dealers would love it if we took our product line all the way back up [to Class 7]. There are two ways to go after the business.”

GM’s fleet dealers have repeatedly asked for a so-called “black hole” truck – since before the Top Kick and Kodiak ended production – to fill the void of a Class 4 product that could compete head-to-head against the Ford F-450 Super Duty and Ram 4500 Chassis Cab trucks. A new GM lower-end medium-duty truck could fill that gap, sharing the 2011 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra’s all-new frame.

Other medium-duty truck makers have taken advantage of GM’s absence from the segment. International recently introduced its new Class 4/5 TerraStar work truck at the NTEA Work Truck Show in March with a form factor similar to the Top Kick and Kodiak.

In the meantime, GM’s medium-duty truck outlets are surviving as well as they can. One Buick/GMC dealer we spoke with said it purchased a large lot of leftover Top Kick and Kodiak trucks from Alaska to satisfy demand in California. As those trucks are sold down, the dealer is depending on ongoing service and parts for GM fleet truck owners to help the bottom line until new Buick and GMC passenger cars and trucks can provide increased revenue.

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PostSubject: Re: GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment   GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment EmptyMay 30th 2010, 10:31 am

Ya well, GM already had a chassie good enough for the class 4/5 zone back in 92'-?? when they was stamping out the 3500HD's with the solid front axle and 19.5's . . .

That truck was also designed for a mini Caterpillar diesel, but that plan fell through so it got 454's & 6.5's . . . 14K-16K GVWR's were there ratings . . .

Until GM can get a Mini Monster from one of Big boy's in the diesel world there isn't much point for reentry . . .

The D-max is a decent engine, but its not going to draw a crowd like MD truck with Cummins, Cat, Detroit, IHC, or even Mack would . . .

"The new 4500HD powdered by a turbo charged Cummins diesel"

"The new 4500HD powdered by a turbo charged Caterpillar diesel"

"The new 4500HD powdered by a turbo charged Detroit diesel"

"The new 4500HD powdered by a turbo charged Navistar diesel"

"The new 4500HD powdered by a turbo charged Mack diesel"


Some thing catchy to that effect . . . the D-max is a fine unit but i don't think it's perceived as a commercial duty diesel yet . . . Most still view it as a pickup truck engine.

say you had a GM 4500HD with options like this:
8.3L Cummins or 7.2L Cat diesel engines , 9spd automatic or 9spd manual, 4.33 gears & 255/70R22.5 tires or 4.56 gears & 11R22.5 tires.

300hp - 1100tq / 400hp - 1300tq for engine power options.

you'd have automatic or manual transmission options.

the 2 gearing/ tire combo's so you can have a Lo Pro set up and tall stance truck where ground clearance is needed . . .

Mike


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PostSubject: Re: GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment   GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment EmptyMay 30th 2010, 11:49 am

Ummm Mike, while I do agree with you about the need for a larger diesel option, the Duramax was available in the Kodiak trucks all the way up to the 6500 series. If thats not medium duty, I dont know what is...
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PostSubject: Re: GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment   GM Studying Reentry into Medium-Duty Segment EmptyMay 30th 2010, 11:16 pm

I know they did, they also offered the 8.1L Gas engine up to the C7500's Laughing

The 6.6 or the 8.1 are plenty capable to do the medium duty truck job.

I'm simply saying if they want to be competitive they better bring there A-game and run with the big boy's or they be out as fast as they got back in . . .

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